#84 UFO Secrecy with Robert Salas

Robert Salas, retired USAF Captain and author.

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On February 27, 2019, Fahrusha was pleased to welcome Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas to “Shattered Reality Podcast”. Robert is the author of two excellent books, Unidentified: The UFO Phenomenon: How World Governments Have Conspired to Conceal Humanity’s Biggest Secret and Faded Giant (co-author James Klotz).

We discussed the Oscar flight shutdown of nuclear missiles by UFOs at Malmstrom Air Force Base in 1967 where Robert Salas was stationed and where he was a missile launch officer in the underground bunker when the shutdown occurred. There was also an almost identical shutdown a week earlier on Echo flight. (Please see our interview with Robert Hastings.)

Robert has proposed that according to game theory, the forces for secrecy and those that push for disclosure are playing a zero sum game. He believes that eventually disclosure must happen. As an adherent of the extra-terrestrial hypothesis (ETH) he believes that ET is on our side, though he allows that there may be more than one kind of ET. He has had some personal experiences with “the others” and feels that his mission is to warn of the dangers of nuclear weapons. That mission is a noble one.

Recently Robert Salas has traveled to Peru with renowned musician Will Galison where he was shown some mummies of non-human creatures, he thinks may be aliens. There are a number of international scientists working on the case and we eagerly await their findings.

Note 1: Homo floresiensis, a.k.a. “the Hobbit,” was an ancient hominin that lived until at least 17,000 years ago in South East Asia on the remote Indonesian island of Flores. Some think its extinction was more recent.

Note 2: The Texas UFO flap Fahrusha referenced in regard to Angelia Joiner was the Stephenville incident.

#73 Calvin Parker & the Pascagoula Incident

Calvin Parker abductee and author of Pascagoula: The Closest Encounter, My Story, Calvin Parker

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Kate Valentine and Fahrusha welcome Calvin Parker, the gentleman who was abducted with the late Charles Hickson by unknown beings in Pascagoula Mississippi. With us also was Terry Lovelace, a very informed abductee and previous guest, to ask some additional questions. We are very happy Calvin has come forward with his experience, especially since Charles Hickson has passed away. Now we have another voice out here to explain what transpired in Pascagoula in 1973. The incident was a rather straightforward and classic abduction scenario, but nonetheless fascinating. In his book Calvin also details what he went through after the abduction and the steps he took to try and understand what exactly the reality of these beings and their craft were. No one can ever know what someone else has experienced, but I believe Calvin and Terry are giving their accounts as truthfully as possible. We can learn something about the nature of our place in the Universe from reading their books. We need to be constantly reminded that humans see only a fraction of the electromagnetic bandwidth around us.

Calvin’s book is Pascagoula: The Closest Encounter, My Story, Calvin Parker and Terry’s book is Incident at Devil’s Den. We thank Philip Mantle for his participation in making this show possible. We invite our listeners to share their experiences on the show.

Errata: At the beginning of the podcast, Fahrusha said “Calvin” when referring to Travis Walton, who she refers to as having given an address at the MUFON symposium on July 29, 2018. The correct addresses for our websites are: https://shatteredrealitypodcast.wordpress.com and http://shatteredrealitypodcast.com.

Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker in 1973 shortly after the abduction.

 

#67 Alien Abductee Terry Lovelace

Terry Lovelace, alien abductee and author of Incident at Devil’s Den

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Fahrusha and Kate Valentine were pleased to welcome Terry Lovelace, alien abductee and author of Incident at Devil’s Den to “Shattered Reality Podcast”. Terry’s story is so remarkable that we gave him a whole lot of room to tell his story. We’d like to have him back to answer our questions and any questions our listener’s would like to ask. Regretfully we lost Kate Valentine’s connection about 20 minutes into the show.

Terry Lovelace saw several UFOs as a child and saw grey alien beings in his childhood bedroom. After he joined the Air Force in the ’70s he worked as a medic. He and another medic and a number of other Air Force personnel witnessed an unknown diamond shaped craft hovering over a missile silo one freezing night in Missouri. Two years later he and his medic friend went on a camping trip to Arkansas’s Devil’s Den National Forest. There they witnessed a huge triangular craft hovering over a meadow where they had set up camp. The craft sent down laser like beams of light which appeared to inspect them. They retreated to their tent where they fell unconscious and woke up later to see the craft depart the meadow.

Crying and terrified, they got in their car, leaving behind all their camping gear. They drove back to the Air Force base with great haste, stopping only for beverages to slake their overwhelming thirst. Upon return, they were both hospitalized with skin burns and photophobia, an abnormal intolerance to visual perception of light. They were also separated and forbidden to interact with one another and one another’s families.

Subsequently, Terry was questioned by Air Force OSI officers under the influence of a truth serum-like drug. More recently he discovered a metal object in his knee along with several other objects through a series of x-rays at a veteran’s hospital. The metal object was later removed by the beings that put it there.

Terry Lovelace is a lawyer and former Assistant Attorney General of both Vermont and American Samoa.

Drawing of the triangular craft seen at Devil’s Den.

X-ray of Lovelace’s knee with object.

#62 Inside UFOs with Preston Dennett

 

Prolific author Preston Dennett, author of Inside UFOs

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Kate Valentine and Fahrusha welcome prolific author Preston Dennett to Shattered Reality Podcast. He has written twenty books on paranormal phenomena mostly about UFOs. Preston belongs to that group valuable chroniclers who is an ethnographer in that he writes down the accounts of people as they tell him their experiences. People all over the world have unexplained encounters with non-human entities. Often these incidents are scoffed at because they seem extraordinary and they cannot be proven to those who haven’t experienced them. And yet these encounters happen all the time to otherwise “normal” people allover the world since the dawn of written history (and probably before, if we are to believe petroglyphs). In fact they are the basis of most of the world’s religions!

The ten people Preston writes about in his book Inside UFOs: True Accounts of Contact With Extraterrestrials are ordinary Americans, from housewives to engineers to former Navy sailors. None were seeking publicity or riches. What I found amazing was that not all of them were scared out of their wits by their experiences as both your friendly co-hosts were during their encounters. I do understand not being frightened by anomalous lights in the distance, but when one has a non-human entity in one’s home, well that’s panic time for me. Where my thinking leads me on this is that something happened to these ten individuals. If it happened to someone else, their mind might interpret it differently because it is in some way beyond everyday human experience, beyond ordinary human perception and understanding. Who or what is behind these encounters with non-human intelligences remains totally unknown.

We also spoke briefly about another of his books The Coronado Island UFO Incident. Preston is currently at work on several new books.

#56 Was Gerry Irwin a UFO Abductee?

 

David Booher, author of No Return, the Gerry Irwin Story, UFO Abduction or Covert Operation?

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Fahrusha was very happy to welcome David Booher, author of No Return, The Gerry Irwin Story, UFO Abduction or Covert Operation? to Shattered Reality Podcast. Booher has penned an exceptionally well written and well researched book on the extraordinary experiences of an Army soldier in 1959. Before David Booher did his research, everyone in the ufological community thought that Gerry Irwin had completely disappeared. Booher found Irwin, alive and reasonably well in his native Idaho.

While on leave from Fort Bliss in 1959, Gerry Irwin saw an unidentified falling object in Utah during his drive toward his army base in Texas. Thinking it was a plane in the process of crashing he left his car by the side of the road and headed into the bush to help. He was found by a local sheriff face down in the February snow. He subsequently suffered from extreme amnesia and went AWOL on two occasions. Those are the bare bones of the story as described in 1962 by Jim and Coral Lorenzen of APRO. We discussed some of the many details the author was able to ferret out.

In our Listeners Corner, June Ponte, an artist and intuitive from New Jersey, tells us of two UFO sightings she experienced in the Garden State. Co-incidentally Gerry Irwin had been a Nike missile technologist at the time of his initial experience and June Ponte had been protesting nuclear power directly before one of her sightings.

June Ponte, UFO observer, artist and intuitive.

Ron Felber, The Mohave Incident #18

Ron Felber, author of the Mohave Incident

Ron Felber, author of the Mohave Incident, joins Kate Valentine and Fahrusha for a fascinating discussion of alien abduction in the Mohave Desert. In 1989 a young couple with two small children decide to go on a carefree camping trip leaving the kids behind with their grandparents. What ensues is an absolutely terrifying ordeal in which these young adults are literally tortured by non-human entities. This is a case that will have you questioning what is real and what is unreal and the assumptions we make about the nature of the world in which we live.

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Recorded: 10/6/2015